judicial committee invitation comes, with be there or be square consequences.. ( come or we will df you ).
what are the sure fire, tested and true tactics that will keep the elders off your back?
( for good ).
A note from a therapist saying you are too emotionally fragile at this time.
(I heard the Org tells elders to back off if they think suicide is a possibility).
Thinking about it, how truly pathetic jw life is! Basically it is as if he's in school or at work, having to show a note from the Doctor to the Big Daddies just so he could be left alone
That said, I'm keeping the idea too, for the cloudy days ahead for me.
there's this elder in my hall.
in his comments and talks, he loves to include the kind of details that would leave listeners wondering who his comment/talk is about.
he seems to see himself as a jw behaviour expert and drops titbits whenever he's behind the mic.
There's this elder in my hall. In his comments and talks, he loves to include the kind of details that would leave listeners wondering who his comment/talk is about. He seems to see himself as a jw behaviour expert and drops titbits whenever he's behind the mic.
With his wording and 'insider details', totally unnecessary (often unrelated to the topic being discussed but which he always finds a way to force in) he loves to generate 'suspense' and mystery. IMO some of the things he talks about could have happened long ago yet he'd present them as fresh issues. For example he'd go like:
"When we're told to do............, some of us rather reason that..........,and do......... instead." etc etc etc
I mean he does this systematically for reasons best known to him...sometimes I wonder if he isn't just cooking some of it himself.
is there any practical way to let these people see the light?
has anything been already done to get the valuable information they need to them?
if yes, what has been the outcome?.
I put two likes on island man's posts. These persons might be in prison not because of specific wt indoctrination, but a deeper felt conviction to abstain from the MAD madness, at the infra- atomic level.
"MIGHT BE" right? Maybe you'll be in a better position to share likes if you do a little bit of research about the topic first.
I love your madness comment because that can also be used to explain whhy people choose to be jws in the first place.
btw, Thank God for 'likes' :)
is there any practical way to let these people see the light?
has anything been already done to get the valuable information they need to them?
if yes, what has been the outcome?.
In my opinion, some JWs are actually better off not knowing TTATT. They include:
~ Elderly JW parents who let their child die by refusing them a blood transfusion. Such persons would be utterly devastated to know they essentially killed their child for a lie.
~ Very sheltered adolescent JWs who are curbing rebellious, self-destructive tendencies, due to Watchtower indoctrination. Such persons are prone to go over-the-top, living very reckless lifestyles of drug abuse and sexual promiscuity once they find out that Watchtower is a lie.
WOW! Can't find words anymore.
Let me revise my statement. It's not that these people don't deserve to know TTATT. It's just that you have to be very careful in how you share TTATT with them and offer them help to counteract the devastating psychological or behavioral ills that may result when the Watchtower mental shackles are taken off.
Alright, this can be a collateral which of course needs attention. But should it stop truth to be told?
I can imagine Ray Franz reasonning this way and not publishing CoC!!!
is there any practical way to let these people see the light?
has anything been already done to get the valuable information they need to them?
if yes, what has been the outcome?.
Island man: these people are in prison because they are jws. If they discover the religion to be fake they'll take a decision for themselves. Just like all of us here.
In case they don't wish to remain jws there's no reason for them to kept in prison any longer.
To learn that they're in prison for a lie could utterly devastate them and lead to a mental breakdown or deep depression and suicide.
This would be the most extreme reaction. All humans don't react the same way to things so we can't predict scenarios as facts. The normal reaction of a human deprived of his freedom would be to regain it. In any case, it's better to be damaged and physically free.
All I'm trying to put forward is that these people who are cut away from the world should also be given the information we have access to in order to make their own decision, like all of us.
In all honesty I believe we can't pre-decide for them if we ourselves have never been imprisonned for being jws.
This is worth pursuing, even if it will free ONE PERSON.
Blondie: great idea. The only challenge will be to get it to them.
is there any practical way to let these people see the light?
has anything been already done to get the valuable information they need to them?
if yes, what has been the outcome?.
Wf & d o c, I would not equal the two groups, given that one group has access to the information and the other one doesn't. To say the least.
SAHS: I think that would be a good start.
is there any practical way to let these people see the light?
has anything been already done to get the valuable information they need to them?
if yes, what has been the outcome?.
Is there any practical way to let these people see the light? Has anything been already done to get the valuable information they need to them? If yes, what has been the outcome?
Nowadays most ex jw materials have shifted from hard support to essentially online content. These people may not have free/easy access to computers and the internet. Is there a way of compiling objective, relevant and pertinent information for their attention? Could this be a collective project to embark on?
Here are some stats from jw org:
WHERE? | IMPRISONED |
|---|---|
52 | |
599 | |
1 | |
18 | |
9 | |
Total | 679 |
List of those imprisoned as of November 12, 2013
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an update on my life post education..... as the governing body continue to denounce higher education, reality continues to prove their words ignorant, ill informed and blatant lies.
i am proud and astonished to say i have just been accepted for a university teaching hospital post.
i have a seriously sought after, senior house officer job in intensive care, endocrinology and clinical pharmacology.
It is not ego that motivates me in writing this, though I am proud, it is the hope that someone decides to also pursue their life goals, because we only get one chance at them!
I love how you said it. Thanks for sharing this and wishing you all the best for the future!
...is that it gives me insight into jw circles i'd otherwise never know.. my mother loathes gossip and derives a personal pleasure in shutting jw gossips up.
as a family, we belong to that boring side of the congregation which never hear any of the juicy stories on the going-ons in the hall.. this forum however makes it possible to have a real panoramic view of the whole thingy.
from the gb to bethel, to the elders and their families, to the ninja-pioneer army, and many other cliques in the congregations.
I will warn you from personal experience if you wish to remain in the religion with a clear conscious then this may not be the best place for you. I thought I could have the best of both worlds. 18 months latter I walked out of Hall for the last time.
Hi Joe,
I fully get your point. I've lurked on this forum for years and yes... It does damage quite a few things jw-wise. You know, because I never bought into it totally even in my best jw years, having the best of both worlds has become a second nature for me. Whatever will happen will happen. For the meantime I'm enjoying my newly found serenity and calm amidst after so many years of tormenting myself.
...is that it gives me insight into jw circles i'd otherwise never know.. my mother loathes gossip and derives a personal pleasure in shutting jw gossips up.
as a family, we belong to that boring side of the congregation which never hear any of the juicy stories on the going-ons in the hall.. this forum however makes it possible to have a real panoramic view of the whole thingy.
from the gb to bethel, to the elders and their families, to the ninja-pioneer army, and many other cliques in the congregations.
For many trapped in........... I think this site helps keep them sane.
It does this for me. I used to be ignorant about different aspects of the congregation, and this made me feel lost at times. Reading on here from people who once were part of so many of these unknown territories of jw town helps me to have that sanity in a certain way. It's an eye-opener I could never have had in the cong only. I'm grateful about that.
How's that for a start?
That's great for a start! There are many ways people can enjoy this forum. Yet some points you raised, I'd tend to assign to other ex-jw websites. But that's ME.
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